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marmota_b ([personal profile] marmota_b) wrote2016-04-26 08:01 am
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Marmota ponders fandom and her relationship to it

It has emerged that I expect greater excellency in fanfiction than I do in (most) original works.

(As in, Marmota ponders stuff and comes to an explanation for her confusing intuitive thought processes.)

When stated that way, it's weird, and pretty unfair of me. But it's a fact. I go to fanfiction to have gaps filled and worldbuilding expanded upon and characterisation retained and deepened. And there are many times when fanfiction works like that; which however doesn't make my expectations any more fair. It amounts to expecting more of one's local amateur sportspeople than one would of the professionals. And I'm intentionally using this example because I think many fans of local amateur sportspeople probably unconsciously do.

Basically, I'm a fan of fandom, the way other people may be fans of TV shows or comic books or maybe book series. (Not individual books and films, that works differently, and is closer to what I enjoy as a fan in the simple sense.*) It makes me wonder how many other people approach it the same way, if maybe unconsciously (as I did). There must be more people feeling similarly; although I think the distinct possibility that a much greater majority of people probably doesn't (why should they?) goes a long way towards explaining why a lot of fanfiction falls short of my expectations. I should keep in mind that the fault is in my expectations, not the work itself.


Also, I feel like this is the sort of thought that could start a very interesting conversation on Tumblr. But there's no way I'm entering that cesspool myself. If you have and also think it could, feel free to share over there (but please let me know?).


* I always prefer works that are done and finished over ongoing, probably because any potential disappointment is also done and finished. And that's, um, unfair towards life. :P

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[personal profile] heliopausa 2016-05-05 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Interesting! :)
Yes, I come to fanfiction to have the interesting corners filled in,the background stories brought into the foreground, the possibilities of the characters explored. Yes, I think that means that fanfiction is starting from higher ground than original fiction - the characters/worlds/situations are already known to be intriguing, at the least, and the fanfiction faces the challenge of not dropping too markedly from that point, and preferably taking off from there, and hitting new heights. Good point!

This also tugs at part of my reservation about real-person historical fiction - it should at the least not sell short the real life it starts from.

I don't see the parallel with amateur sportspeople - I think what people enjoy most with local amateur sportspeople is the sense of human connection.Or is that what you meant by "more", rather than more speed, more height, more strength?
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[personal profile] heliopausa 2016-05-16 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
Mmmm... yes, I think I follow your meaning when you say that the human connection means you hold them to a higher standard - perhaps because you/we to some extent identify with them, and so you/we are part of the falling short, if such falling short should happen. It matters so much more when it's family! :)

(In English, it's more grammatical to say "it's that, squared"; the past tense makes it clear that the mathematical operation has been completed.)
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[personal profile] heliopausa 2016-05-16 02:52 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure what the question is in the first part here. Is it just the maths vocab? - in which case... two squared is four; the square root of four is two. If you mean the metaphor, it doesn't really work backwards in English - and yes, there's so much in a good novel that it's an almost impossible task to transfer the whole into another medium. Short stories and novellas are more possible. Have you read "The Dead", by James Joyce?

But as for adaptations using just one small part of the original, rather than trying to deal with the whole - oh, certainly! (But would they then be called adaptations?) Let me consider, to find an example....

Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead. Or do you decline to call it an adaptation?
Edited 2016-05-16 04:29 (UTC)
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[personal profile] heliopausa 2016-05-23 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
Re: maths vocab - I should have added the square of two is four, two cubed is eight; the cube root of eight is two and the cube of two is eight; after that it's just two to the power of four... or two to the fourth power etc. For unknown or undefined, we say "to the nth power", pronounced "enth".
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[personal profile] heliopausa 2016-07-24 10:20 am (UTC)(link)
I mentioned "The Dead" as an example of a short story translating well to the movie form, as opposed to a full-length novel. There's a 1987 movie of it. (Errr... there's also a horror movie of the same name. :D )
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[personal profile] heliopausa 2016-07-24 11:52 am (UTC)(link)
That sounds very interesting - thanks!